Yeah, I mean, teenagers should definitely be allowed to vote.
Dogs and rats should be allowed to vote also.
Democracy is a complete circus, so there really shouldn’t be any restrictions on anything at all.
New Zealand lawmakers will take a vote on whether to lower the national voting age from 18 to 16, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said Monday.
Her announcement came hours after the country’s Supreme Court ruled that not allowing 16- and 17-year-olds to vote amounted to age discrimination.
But while Ardern said she personally favors lowering the age, such a change would require a 75% supermajority of lawmakers to agree. And even proponents acknowledge they don’t currently have the numbers.
A number of countries are debating whether to lower their voting age. Some that allow people to vote at 16 include Austria, Malta, Brazil, Cuba and Ecuador.
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Sanat Singh, co-director of New Zealand’s Make It 16 campaign, said he was absolutely thrilled with the court’s decision.
“It’s a huge day,” he said. “This is historic not only for our campaign, but for the country.”
Singh, 18, said existential issues like climate change — as well as issues like pandemic recovery and the state of democracy — will most affect young people.
“That’s why I think it’s really important to get all hands on deck to make sure we can have a stronger future,” he said.
Ardern, who leads the liberal Labour Party, said all lawmakers should have a say on the issue.
“I personally support a decrease in the voting age but it is not a matter simply for me or even the government,” Ardern said. “Any change in electoral law of this nature requires 75% of parliamentarians’ support.”
Ardern said the vote would likely take place within the coming months but any change would not take effect until after next year’s general election.
The liberal Green Party said it supported a change.
“Young people deserve to have a say in the decisions that affect them, both now and in the future,” said Golriz Ghahraman, the party’s electoral reform spokesperson.
But New Zealand’s two main conservative opposition parties said they oppose a change.
“It’s not something we support,” Opposition Leader Christopher Luxon told reporters. “Ultimately, you’ve got to draw the line somewhere, and we’re comfortable with the line being 18.”
At the Supreme Court, four judges found in favor of the lobby group’s appeal with a fifth judge dissenting to some aspects of the decision.
In New Zealand, the protection against age discrimination begins at 16, and the judges ruled that the attorney-general had failed to show why 18 had been chosen as the age to vote rather than 16.
Yeah, it’s a good point, in theory. These ages are arbitrary. You used to be considered an adult objectively based on sexual maturity, but a person is more or less always going to be sexually mature by 14.
That said, none of it makes sense in this society. If you’re going to have voting, you have to have voting only by people with some stake in the system. Right now, the left in every country is just “Jews plus people with no stake in the system.”
Frankly, the rule should be property ownership as a requisite to vote. That would nullify the discussion of age and the ongoing issue of women voting. Women and 16-year-olds who were property owners would be rare, and if they existed, they would more or less vote with the normal people.
We rattle on about the problems of “democracy,” but the problems are specifically with “universal suffrage democracy.” It makes absolutely zero sense to allow everyone to vote.
America was never a universal suffrage democracy until the late 19th century. Pretty much, the vision of the Founding Fathers was doomed from that point on.
So, if they can vote at 16 – will they also go to adult jail at 16?
Seems to me the only reason they want to lower the age is because they are easier to manipulate into believing their lies.
If they are classed as children, they shouldn't vote. https://t.co/gtEsQTD6Yc
— Matt (@Common_Sense_71) November 21, 2022