Manosphere Breaking Down Under the Pressure of a New Wave

Andrew Anglin
Daily Stormer
May 23, 2015

So, there are some happenings in the manosphere.  I’m not going to take credit for them, but they do appear to relate very much to what we’ve been dealing with here on the Daily Stormer.

Ongoing conflicts between personalities involved in the manosphere reached a fever pitch today when Roosh V, publisher of the biggest blog of the subculture, Return of Kings, posted a YouTube video attacking the people that are attacking him.

In it, Roosh begins with a seemingly unrelated comment about his ethnicity and search for ethnic identity (he is half Persian and half Armenian, meaning about 80-90% White, the rest being Semite (Armenians and Persians would have both been Aryan before the Arab incursion and subsequent Haji rape-fest).  He then goes on to address the term “red pill,” which he believes has lost meaning, and explains why he has attempted to replace it with the term “Neomasculinity.”

In the show notes is linked a thread on r/RedPill, wherein Roosh is attacked for allegedly trying to replace the term with his own term for the purpose of being able to own the entire manosphere as part of a marketing strategy.  This is one group he was responding to, but he was also apparently responding to personalities from MGTOW and Infowars’ Paul Joseph Watson.

MGTOW persons have called him out for allegedly taking a position too sympathetic to traditional roles.  Although he started out as a “pick-up artist,” he has moved into more serious philosophical realms in recent years with RoK.  He has recently become something of a traditionalist, moving into the idea that men do in fact need women, but that feminism has made it impossible.  In the video he goes so far as to talk about God.

Though I wouldn’t personally feel comfortable with an ethnically Moslem leader in any movement I was involved in, Roosh’s current positions are all very hard to disagree with, and he seems to be coming from a place of genuine honesty.

I attacked Roosh back in February for writing an article basically saying that race exists but doesn’t matter, and listed the reasons why this is a stupid position.  I won’t repeat it all here, go read the article.

However, since then he seems to have altered his position (awareness sometimes comes quickly), and just recently he took a position on the Jews, writing an excellent review of Kevin MacDonald’s Culture of Critique.

So the bottom line here is that I don’t personally have a dog in this fight.  If Roosh is going to push the manosphere toward hardcore anti-Semitism as well as traditional European values, I’m not going to whine about it just because he isn’t White.  Anyway, the way he is going, he is most likely going to want to go marry someone from his own ethnicity – he is going traditionalist, and that would be the traditionalist action – in which case I might go so far as to consider him an ally.

The most bizarre aspect of this is the inclusion of Paul Joseph Watson, who appears to have played a role in sparking of the current wave of drama by making a video supporting Roosh’s Neomasculinity position and attacking MGTOW.

MGTOW YouTuber Barbarossa then made a video responding to PJW’s video, and attacked Roosh for spreading this meme to conspiracy theorists.

Following this, MGTOW YouTuber Sandman made a video on the same theme.

So, there is a whole lot going on here, and a whole cast of weird characters.

It is only appropriate that I weigh in.

Manosphere, Red Pill, MGTOW and Neomasculinity

The manosphere is a general term for groups of internet philosophers trying to unravel the damage done to our society and our individual psychology by feminism.  This was not an orderly process, involving all different sorts of people, from “pick-up artists” to angry divorced “men’s rights activists.”

As such, there was a lot of different terminology involved, some of it cumbersome.  If a term is not easily defined, it has no meaning and might not even actually be a term.

“Taking the red pill” is a general term, drawn from the Matrix films, where Neo takes the red pill in order to see the world for what it really is.  This term became popular on 4chan and other boards to describe not only recognizing the problems of feminism, but recognizing all of the lies we have been told since we were born.

The term became commonplace in the tubes, in the manosphere and outside of it (though currently the manosphere tends to overlap with other red pill philosophies, given that it is obviously all men involved, as is always the case with intellectual pursuits, and we all have been forced to deal with these women).

People with differing views on the real truth began to argue about what is or isn’t “red pill.” Ask such, red pill is not a defined ideology, but more of a technique of looking at something and trying to uncover the bottom-line reality you are dealing with by pulling back the layers of lies and finding the truth.  This applies to women, race, the Jew problem, economics, social norms and so on.

This philosophy followed that of the conspiracy-oriented “truth movement,” which collapsed under its own weight after embracing completely insane theories about crisis actors, chemtrails and so on.  These days, whenever you see people associating with the “truth movement” or even associating strongly with the term “conspiracy,” they usually appear to have some form of serious mental illness.

As our younger readers are probably aware, the ideas on this site mostly come from “red pill”-oriented sites which I have read over the years following my own exit from the conspiracy movement when it just got too nutty.  Whereas the conspiracy/truth movement contained certain truths, they tended to twist them up to fit a paradigm created by American shortwave radio conspiracy theorists in the 70s and 80s, and given the amount of information we now have access to, that limited paradigm no longer worked.

Red pill thought, which in my view was fleshed-out mainly on chan boards by individual smart people (whereas the conspiracy movement was guided by wealthy celebrity snake oil-peddling gurus like Alex Jones and David Icke) allowed for a much more open view of things and allowed for a paradigm to emerge organically.

What we are experiencing now is the final merging of all truth into a zeitgeist which is going to be almost identical to National Socialism.  But we’ll get to that.  Back to our manopshere terms.

Through the process of taking the red pill, men eventually came to a general agreement that everything about the way men are treated in modern society is wrong, but now have different ideas about what that means.

There are still some pushing the old “just learn how to meet girls and have sex with as many as you can as revenge against them” line, but this is fading out quickly as people realize that all of these Jews selling this “pick-up artistry” are lying and it isn’t really possible to have sex with thousands of girls and even if you do it simply leaves you empty inside.

So, now, the movement has split into two, with some people in the manosphere advocating what they have called “MGTOW,” which means “men going their own way.”  This ideology is not fully defined quite yet, but it is getting there.  Basically, the argument is that it is impossible to form a healthy relationship with a woman, and the best option is to boycott them completely.

I am able to go along with that, to an extent, as it has been my personal experience and the experience of everyone I know that women are completely impossible to deal with, that every single one of them is tainted, fully, by feminism, whether they know it or not.  I have gone into serious detail on my views on women in my FAQ about my views on women.  Most anyone in the manosphere, save SJW fakers like Sargon of Akkad, would probably tend to agree with most everything there.

The only solution to the female problem would be to create a political order in which women did not have “rights.”  From that point, you could start to repair male-female relational dynamics.  As long as they have these “rights,” however, and they are subject to Jewish media manipulation, and capable of gaining their own means of support from the state or by being hired over a man in an affirmative action program, the concept of a serious relationship with one of them will remain ridiculous, as they could at any time decide they want to do something crazy and you have no control over it.

Women are completely driven by their emotions, they do not have ideological beliefs, they do not function on any form of logic, and so they can, at any point, change their mind about everything they told you they thought.  And they are not in control of whether or not this happens. And in the modern world of no-fault divorce, neither are you.  Women are now like plastic bags blowing caught in the wind of Jewish hot air.

So, from that perspective, it makes very logical sense to boycott women, to not get in serious relationships, to focus on your own self, your own self-improvement and needs rather than throwing all your energy down the black hole that is all modern women.

MGTOW, however, has begun to take this too far, saying that there never was a time when women weren’t a problem, that this doesn’t relate to the fact that they now have “rights,” but is just manifesting as a major problem because they’ve been given rights.  My view is that yes, they always had the potential to be a problem, and this is why they were kept in the home and didn’t have rights, but if you have a situation where they don’t have any rights, it is definitely possible to deal with them.  Men did it for all of the history of the species, and the idea of a society without women doesn’t really make a lot of sense.  It wouldn’t be much fun.

Many MGTOW people also encourage celibacy, which seems irrational and weird.

Ultimately, as Roosh alludes to in his video, this can only end in homosexuality if they continue on the path of not having any connection to women at all as being the rational way.  I also think it is missing the red pill, as they are side-stepping logic – the basis of the red pill – in favor of an emotional idea that no one could ever deal with women.  The idea that men can live indefinitely without women is also non-realistic.  Maybe a percentage of men can, but most cannot, meaning this does not present a full solution to society, which is what I am interested in.

The problem with women is their rights, and viewing them as possessing personal autonomy, period.  It doesn’t go beyond that.

So, in response to this almost defined ideology of MGTOW, Roosh introduced “Neomasculinity.”  I am not sure how I feel about the term itself, as I don’t really see what needs to be “neo” about masculinity, but I guess it is used in terms of a revival of traditional masculinity from a place where it has been completely wiped out. Anyway, it works okay, though I am just going to stick to “masculinity.”

Roosh is arguing for a return to traditional masculine values.  He describes it thus:

For many years, the term “red pill” has been used to describe the views possessed by a large number of men in the manosphere, but I believe it has outlived its usefulness because it’s too broad, vague, and hokey, especially since it is used in other niches like conspiracy groups and Zero Hedge. I would like to propose the term neomasculinity to precisely describe the developing ideology that has been refined here, on Return Of Kings, and on RVF from a primarily game foundation dating back 15 years with additional influence from non-game disciplines.

Neomasculinity is…

• Game
• Traditional sex roles
• Self-improvement
• Understanding the true nature of women
• Patriarchy
• Weightlifting/fitness
• Individual responsibility
• Equal legal rights, free speech, due process
• Testosterone
• Entrepreneurship
• Hard work ethic
• Red pill truths
• Sexual marketplace value
• Male-only spaces
• Hedonistic moderation
• Nuclear family
• Binary sex model
• Natural health and hygiene (baking soda, apple cider vinegar, etc)
• Male virtue
• Anti-socialism
• Technological skepticism
• Feminine beauty ideals
• Deeper life meaning and/or spirituality
• Lifestyle optimization

To be neomasculine would be to believe or advocate for more than half of the above list. We are now in large enough numbers that giving a term to our existing belief structure is the logical next step before developing it even further for the goal of using it to defeat the existing cultural narrative. If this takes hold, a neofeminine offshoot would be inevitable, comprising of women who have also been failed or neglected by the push to equality. I predict in the next two years we’ll see an acceleration in how readily ideas from our sphere are accepted.

I agree with his positions, and I agree with pushing this. For those who will say “oh so you’re agreeing with this ethnic Moslem” – there is no agreeing or disagreeing, he is here simply stating an objective reality about what it means to be a man.  It is the same as what I have said, he is simply saying it to more people.

But again, it just doesn’t make sense how these women are going to stop behaving in the way they behave now unless they are forced to.  They are running wild, and in order to stop this, you would have to change laws and make it illegal for them to do so.  Otherwise, they will just keep scheming against you.

A woman never stops scheming.  This is a part of her evolutionary biology.  She isn’t going to get back in her place because you are doing the right thing.  There are already plenty of men out there who did the right thing and still got hit with a no-fault divorce they will be working the rest of their lives to pay for.  I know men who were in good shape, intelligent, making money and so on who got screwed over by women on a serious scale.  As long as the Jews are a factor in our existence, there can be no solution to the feminist problem.

So, there are problems with both MGTOW and Neofeminism, and both fail to fully swallow the red pill and recognize the

The solution is clear: Total Fascism.

Fascism is the purest embodiment of the masculine ideal.  An entire society based on pure logic.  In a Fascist society, where logic ruled and men did what they did for honor rather than material trinkets of symbolic status, women would have no choice but to do what they are supposed to do.

And so it is that I believe men should take on a version of MGTOW in that they boycott women (unless they find some ideal situation I am missing), but with the goal of reestablishing the natural order through political revolution – not simply as a full-on reaction to the present state of affairs which goes too far and ends up pointless.

At the same time as we should establish our masculinity based along similar lines to those Roosh has laid out, we should not be expecting women to come back around as he expects them to.  Because that simply isn’t possible.  If a woman appears to be doing that, it is only a matter of time before she switches it up for some other scheme.  The only way to control women is physically.

What all of these manosphere people are ignoring is that we are on the brink of a race war.  And after the race war, everything is going to be different.  Either we will all be Moslems, or the Fascist ideology will reign supreme, as White men rule the world once more.

There is now no stopping the race war. We have twenty years, max, before we are all living in the middle of the biggest war the world has ever seen.  And very soon, this fact is going to be clear to everyone with an IQ over 120.  The manosphere, following red pill philosophy, uses logic to come to conclusions, so it is just a matter of time before they realize what is happening with the race issue.

The day is coming when the score is known.  So then the score will be settled.

Women can wait.